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ljm68

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Hi, I was wondering if any one runs their bajo thru a DI box like from LR Baggs or any other DI made for acoustic instruments with Eq, and then to the board. It seems from reading some of the forums that most guys are running thru an amp like a Twin or Jazz Chorus and then miking that? I only played a few gigs but I went straight from the Bajo to the board. I'm asking cuz I never seen any discusions about DI boxes on here and wondering if thats a good way to do it. Thanks
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LUIS, I USED TO RUN MY BAJOQUINTO DIRECT THROUGH THE BOARD AND GOT A MUDDY TYPE OF SOUND. THAN I RAN IT THROUGH MY PEAVEY BASS AMP AND DIRECT BOX THAT MAKES IT SOUND A LITTLE BETTER. I COULD NEVER QUITE GET THE HANG OF THE DIRECT BOX. NOW I PLAN TO RUN MY BAJOSEXTO THROUGH MY FENDER FRONTMAN AMP ONLY AND MIC IT. I WILL PROBANLY NOT EVER RUN MY SEXTO THROUGH THE BASS AMP OR DIRECT BOX THAT I HAVE. OTHER BASS AMPS MIGHT DO THE JOB, BUT I FOUND OUT THIS PAST WEEKEND THAT MY TYPE OF BAJOSEXTO (GABBY) SOUNDS BETTER THROUGH THE FENDER FRONTMAN GUITAR AMP! JUST MY LEARNING OPINION!! LOL


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Remember that amps contibute their own tone to your overall bajo's sound. That's why some players prefer to run their bajo through the amp and then mic it. When you run your bajo through the direct box, you bypass the amp's tone to the board and only hear what your bajo actually sounds like unaltered.

As a sound guy I prefer to use direct boxes because it makes life easier for me. It saves me from carrying a bajo amp for the band and may eliminate ground loops which cause buzz or hum through the board. It also keeps the stage wash or sound under my control. As a bajo player I would prefer to go through my amp and then mic it. Eventhough I play horribly, personally I use a Roland Jazz chorus JC120 or a Fender Twin Reverb.

Saludos!

Ricardo

P.S. If you decide to mic your amp, I would recommend you carry a DI box in case of an emergency.
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I use a peavy bass amp no di box I havnt checked them out yet. My amp has a pre amp out that I feed to the mixer. I just bought a effects pad that gives it a vibrato sound with reverb and sounds of fender amp then through my wireless amp. I have never got feedback or static till last week it was weird cuz alone it would do the noise then I would turn a certain way then it would go away? What yall think?
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If you can do both, that is the most desirable.

In live situations, a DI box is almost a must whether you use an amp with a mic or not.  I can tell you as a guy that runs festivals, concerts, clubs, bands, etc... it doesn't matter if you show up with an amp or not, your Bajo will first go through a DI, then hit the amp via the DI box's bypass output if I'm running the show.  I'll mic the amp too, if that is your thing but the DI allows a much better signal to amplify.  Especially if your Bajo is of good quality, is well set up, and has good electronics.

The mic'd amp pics up everything around it along with the amp so it is very "ambient".  Sometimes, depending on the venue, that's just enough "ambience" to dirty the mix.  If people insist on their amp mic'd, I will certainly accommodate, but only after it has gone through the DI.  

If the band is really good and plays with good stage dynamics, the mic helps to make the mix more "organic".  In other words...very "natural".  If the band is in a stage volume battle during the show, the Bajo amp mic is almost the first to be muted out front to compensate.  It has a lot to do with stage volume whether or not the Bajo amp can work in the mix.

I'll mix the two channels out front and balance out whatever gives the band the cleanest and most balanced sound.  But I can say from experience that if I have both amp and DI signals at the board, usually the Bajo mic will turn out to be mixed in a lot lower compared to the direct signal, especially in smaller places.

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Squeezebox, thanks ese, very helpful. Any type of DI that you like? Do you like the ones that are made for acoustic guitars or just like a regular DI you would see in a club?
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I personally don't use a DI box. So far my bajo has never made any type of noise. I played in many different types of houses, clubs, restauranuts, and have never had any issues. I plug straight to the mixer with no amp because I like how my bajo quinto sounds straight to the board. I've used amps from clubs and did not like the sound they gave my bajo. So far the only amp I like for my bajo is the Roland KC500 keyboard amp. But I prefer not to carry an amp around.
When I used to play electric guitar I prefered to plug my guitar to my Fender Deluxe amp and mike the cab with my Shure Beta 57A to get the sound I was listening from my amp. I guess I've been lucky not to get any noise from my Rare Earth Humbucking pickup.
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I have never got feedback or static till last week it was weird cuz alone it would do the noise then I would turn a certain way then it would go away? What yall think?

I'd blame that on the wireless getting interference.  If it has multiple operating frequencies, try changing the frequency to one that is more clear.  If the system only operates on a single frequency, you're kinda hosed.  Wireless systems are a product of their environment.  They can work good at one place and not at another.  That's exactly why I always advise people to only buy them if being mobile is an essential part of your show...not just for the novelty of it.  You have to be willing to sacrifice reliability and sometimes even tone to use wireless. 

Always have a spare 1/4" cable so you can plug in wired just in case.

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Any type of DI that you like?

I lend our Bajo player a Hartke preamp pedal that I have...it's essentially a preamp and DI. (AGX I believe) and he gets a great tone out of his Macias.  One day we did a gig in Vegas, and the FOH engineer made it a point to walk over to the stage while we were packing up so he could see what preamp he used.  He said he's never heard a Bajo Sexto sound better.  Very good compliment from a Professional guy.  Now keep in mind, the fact the the Bajo player is a really good player, and his Bajo is really nice has a lot to do with that too.

Having said that, I would recommend at least getting an active DI for Bajo Sexto if not a Preamp type thing.  Look for a BSS AR133, Countryman Type 85, Radial J48, Whirlwind Hotbox, etc.etc... there are A LOT of good ones...those are just the more popular ones that come to mind.

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Skweezbox, What type of pickup did your bajo sexto player have for his macias? and did he also have his amp mic up when using your preamp in Vegas?  Thanks.


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Pickup was a Fishman Rare Earth.  He was playing out of a '65 Fender Twin Reverb reissue that just happened to be on stage, but it was not mic'd.  All that was out front was the Preamp.  He never travels with an amp.

This was a big stage, so there wasn't much stage bleed out into the audience.  The PA was a huge 16 box PAS line array.  I'm assuming what the FOH engineer was hearing was mostly direct.

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Skweezboxmaniac, Thanks for your feedback..OK, given he used the fishman rare earth, for the pickup and the amp was not mic'd the stage engineer definitely was hearing (as you probably already know) the natural great sound the Macias puts out, (He may have fell in love with the macias sound) because the fishman pickup brings out the natural accoustic sound of the bajo. 

I usually just mic my 65 Fender twin reverb to the board, but now I may try  my DI box with it to see how it sounds with my Dearmond pickup.  Again Thanks.

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to update from last entry...I finally got the fender twin reverb 65 model..I love how it sounds and does so my groupo..I mic it and sounds wonderful. I recommend it to other bajo players too
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Friends y flota bajo sextera y bajoquintista,
HAVE YOU TRY THE RED EYE PREAMP/DI?
If your answer is "no" they I will advise you to get it. This is the best preamp/D.I. for your bajo.
Lets faced, we need a good tone and easy setup when the bajo sexto/quinto is amplified.
Finally something easy and with a great tone.
google it and see for yourself the reviews of the Red Eye and the twin preamp/D.I.
I love mine  
I'm a dealer of the know famous RED EYE preamplifier/D.I.
It was design for acoustic instruments. And the Bajo Quinto/sexto sounds so good (de verdad, suena super bien cuando pasa por el Red Eye) 

Give it a try on your bajo quinto or sexto. You willl be happy, I guarantee it
Did I mention that this preamp is incredible, and so simple to use?
 

You will not believe what this small pedal preampand D.I. box can make for your bajo sound. I can put one in your hands at a very reasonable price.
I bet it will sound amazing on accordion too. 
Just send me a private massage and ask me all the questions you could have. Pero en serio compas, es para quedarse de boca abierta.
El sonido es mucho mas potente y con muy buen punch y claridad. funciona con passive y active pickups. simple de usar y cabe en cualquier estuche.
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