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Besides appearance, can someone tell me other differences between this accordion and a regular Hohner Corona II?
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There is a major difference from between the Corona II and the IIIR and that is the type and amount of reeds per note 

The Corona II has Mussete sound MM (M= Middle) reed setup, which means it has two Clarinet reeds tuned with a Mussete or Wet tuning.

The Corona IIIR on the other hand is has MML (L= Low) reed setup, which means it has two Clarinet and one Basson reed also tuned Wet but it has more of a Cajun sound.  I would not recommend it to you if you are looking for a Vallenato sound.

The Corona IIIR is no longer produced but is a Five Switch Hohner and gives you options of Single Clarinet reed, Dual Reed Clarinet, (Corona II setup), Single Basson reed, Single reed Clarinet plus single Basson, and Master switch that has all three reeds combined MML. 

The Corona IIIR also has stiff playing action that is not as soft and smooth as a Corona II or III, however there is a Corona IIIRS that is five switch but with different type switches with the same setup but with smoother action.

Hope this helps.


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Really appreciate your quick response Lonestar.  Using the various switches, can it be tuned to produce similar sound to that of a Corona II and be used for Norteno?

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Plomito

It does have a MM option which is the same as a Corona II. 

It can be used to play Conjunto, Norteno, Tejano on this box and also Cajun. 

It's not a Vallenato Box but can be modified to one bay swapping the Bassoon reeds for M Clarinet reeds.

The action is stiffer than a Corona but is still very playable.

Hope this helps.



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I agree on most points..

I don't agree that the IIIRS is less stiff.. it is spongey action, less overal volume and a cheaper feel to it in my opinion ( I've owned 10-15 Corona IIIRs and several IIIRS's )..

The Corona IIIR can be used very nicely for Vallenato ( first register ).. but not for super fast playing.. OK for Cumbia..

The Master switch MML ( third register down) has a Zydeco, bluesy sound to it ( like on a three reed Gabb on master )..

The second register is bandoneon ( ottavado ) and resembles ronco voz tuning on some Conjunto players accordions ( Valerio Longoria, Dos G's )..

The Fourth register sounds  identical to a Corona II

The Fifth register sounds like violin on Gabbanelli..

It's the only Hohner I can play the cumbia Yolanda on first switch, Por Retenerte ( V. Longoria ) on second switch, a Blues or Zydeco song or Master Switch Gabbie song on third switch, a Polka on 4th switch, and Mi Tesoro  on the 5th switch..

Despite the question of volume, button action.. they can take a beating.. and when mic'd blow any Corona II or III away in my opinion.  LMM is one of the most versatile set ups around IMHO.

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Plomito:

The voice / switch setup of the IIIR is similar to that of a 5sw Gabb, but it comes in a smaller package.  I have one in GCF that I got from Glenn.  It's a great box which I use to play Norteño.

If you're ever in San Jose and want to check it out let me know.

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Thanks for the input fellows!!!

Any idea what a good price for this would be?

Thanks again!

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INterrestingly enough, I was looking at these very boxes online last night and wondered how they related to the Coronas. Great question Plomito and thanks to Lonestar, Glenn, and Paco for their very enlightening respenses. Every so often there are threads that are worth printing and filing for personal use and knowledge and this one is definetely one of them. Thank you guys very much.

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I bought a Corona IIIR a while back and it was in mint condition, however; the button action is very bad along with some design faults on the switch mechanism and does not proyect sound as loud as a regular corona II.(especially the inner row for some reason). Personally I didn't like it but at the same time think that if you are an accordion collector, this box would be a great box to have. I ended up selling it and dont think about getting me another IIIR anytime soon.
Anyway,, this is just my opinion and  I suggest that if you get a chance, try one out and take it from there.
I found this box on Ebay and this one really kicks butt.

Good luck on your search.
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I just remembered about this video playing some polkas on the IIIR. The register used here is the one w/ the 2 middle reeds.



Also, some audio clips to compare the sound from the various registers:
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Thanks for the clip.. very nice !!

Just for the record:

1. There is a nice clip of Maestro Bene Medina demonstrating a song on this forum playing a IIIR that I sold to him several years ago.

2. All Corona IIIR's suffer from stiff action and lower volume on inner row..and they tend to slow your playing down. However.. it is like having a  31 switch Mini-Gabb 5 switch which weighs much less. IF the accordion is well-played, the stiffness loosens..and the action becomes significantly better and volume improves slightly.

3. Numerous famous Norteno and Conjunto groups have recorded with the IIIR,. ( Paulino Bernal, Joel Guzman, Los Broncos de Reynosa.. come to mind. )



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Steve Jordan recorded with the IIIR...most memorably on El Alacran.

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Thank you all for your thoughts and knowledge on this.

Paco, thanks for the clip! 

Saludos!

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I have owned 2  IIIR   models... both mint .. one NOS unplayed

I did not find the action "stiff"  but these boxes are slow and cumbersome

There were 2  versions    an early one with round switches and a later one with oval switches.. I believe the early one to be better.. but better is relative

Perilously slow  and yes  the inner row is weak

Additionally  the slide mechanisms are fragile   don't mess with them

The RS  model IIRC  is a larger frame

The price on these varies... I have seen them as low as $500 and as high as $1500

I would say around a grand in mint condition  would be acceptable ( I'd pay $700 tops )

Note that some Quebec players such as Gaston Nolet have used them  but they prefer the Corona II

In Nova Scotia and the Maritimes  the IIIR  models are popular

I agree that the LMM is a very versatile  set up  but not in a Hohner

In no way do they sound "cajun"  cajun boxes are "just tuned"  and usually dry

IIIR's ( and other Hohners) are TET tuned and usually wet

However   they could be used for Zydeco

Save your money and get a Dino Baffetti  GL II A



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I've only found the rounded buttons on the IIIRS... all my IIIR's have had flat buttons like on the Corona II 70's versions..

Agree on all other points..

Thanks Karlitos for my Parche oversight.. yep.. he did the IIIR too..

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Forgive me for my ignorance and stating Cajun, perhaps Zydeco would have been the more appropriate thing to say.

I do want to say that I was stating things from experience of trying one out in person, but never owning one.  I couldn't remember exactly the reed type and switch options and was just trying to give a more or less comparison fore plomito.

Thanks two the rest of the guys who have or do own a Corona IIIR or RS for more accurately describing and providing videos and sound clips for a better understanding.

This has been a very informative thread.

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For more information on the Corona IIIR go to this page

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Peter:
Thank you very much for the pictures.  I have never dared open mine for fear of screwing something up, though I had always been curious as to how they manage to fit so much machinery in a small package.

elrubio:
Just out of curiousity, which part of the sliding mechanism would you consider the weakest point?  I have always felt that the amount of force required to activate the switches is huge.  I have no numbers but am solely basing it relative to switches on a Gabb type of box.

Now that I see the underside of the switching mechanism I wonder if the rods holding up 5 switches are more prone to getting bent out of shape or even breaking?

Thanks to everyone for your input.
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When I said oval buttons  I was referring to the 5 switch (register) buttons

The weak part of the slider and connectors...they can jam mif you are not slow and deliberate about the switching

and  do NOT let the slider corrode.. ie  white fuzzy material from moisture

Also if you take them apart , do not bend the sliders....
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OK... Yes, the registers are dated technology and are subject to jamming, sluggishness.. but when they are well cared for and do work well..they are fine.

The IIIRS had the alternative press down instead of press in registers as far as I remember. All the IIIR's I've had have been equipped with these round registers..

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Las Corona III-R tienen unas placas que estan instaladas en la parte inferior de los burros. ( reed blocks) There's 2 per reed block and the switches trigger them. If the sliding pieces are bent even just a little and not sliding easily in and out or have any mold or debris, it will cause the switches to be stiff. I took them out of mine and straightened them out; and the switches were easier than a gabbanelli switch afterwards. It was very time consuming and on some spots I had to file down metal on the sliding pieces but it sure made a difference on the pressure required to activate switches.

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Here's a vintage 1960's Corona IIIR that I recently bought from Glenn
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Its practically brand new.

Here's a clip of me and my Dad playing the redova Amorcito on this Corona IIIR



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That was amazing!!!

I'm sure that brought a smile to Glenn's face, because it sure did to mine.

There is nothing better than a great instrumental played masterfully al viento with the Bajos being played and the Bajo Sexto!!!

Puro Alice, Tejas!!!

Thank you for the video!!!


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Yeah, Nick. Thanks for sharing that clip. Let that serve as a reminder to respect one's elders. There's so much to learn from them.

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Glad to see/ hear that IIIR in very good hands..

some songs just sound better on a IIIR in my opinion..

Great for back-up for guitar or bajo singers on boleros and cumbias..

I enjoyed the vid!

Thanks..

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i just bought one recently. mint condition with the bajos, a pick-up, and midi on it. i love it and playing it is even better. the bajos sound a little different but they're in tune. but what i dont like is the button stiffness i could go without that. mine's in Sol/GCF but hoping to find one in Mi Mayor/BbEbAb one day.


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The buttons on the the iiir are stiff due to the springs being set to hard. The good thing I'd they are easy to adjust. And the reason the inner row sounds low is due to the grill design which covers almost half of the reeds. I installed a Corona grill on mine and the sound is nice and loud like it should be.
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