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     I've heard a lot about Chromatic accordeons in this forum. I understand what "chromatic" is, and I assume these boxes must produce all 12 tones of the Chromatic scale in several octaves.
      My question is, do these Chromatic accordeons produce 2 different notes per button on the push & pull, like that on a Diatonic 3-row button accordeon, but have a layout in which along with having an extra 4th or 5th row, can accomodate all 12 tones in several octaves, or does each button produce only one note on the push & pull like that of a regular Piano accordeon ? Thank you,
                                          Jimmy
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Jimmy,
 
I have been reading up on the chromatic according too, as well as asking questions. This site is the most informative I have found so far...
 
http://www.thecipher.com/chromatic-accordion-cipher.html

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Jimmy the chromatic accordion  plays the same note push or pull on the same button. The extra 2 rows are repeats of the first 2 rows and make it easier to play the scales then if only had 3 rows because of the easier fingering positions. It is actually easier to play than the diatonic accordion. There are 2 different tuning arrangements the "C" system and the "B" system but you still get all the keys only the fingering positions are different.The "C" system is the one more commonly used by Conjunto Accordionists like Oscar Hernandez,David Lee Garza, Bobby Naranjo,Robert Cassillas and so on.

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Its is very simple, but some people feel intimidated by the box, they are scared or get nervous looking at so many buttons. If you are in the Houston area, mabe you can go to the Gabby shop an play one? It is a bit different, but I am telling you the truth, the box is a great instrument. Its similiar to a piano accordion but the keys or really compact allowing the board to be shorter than some piano accordions. When I read music notes, my fingers can turn an twist in different directions without having to worry about going back to the same button I started on. You can play it by ear also. I personally think the reason many Tex-mex, Conjunto, Tejano, and Norteno players dont play because its just something that hasnt really been passed down to trew there roots.....

If you are in the 254 area code, you can IM me an we can hook up, I will let you try it out......

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     Gee, thanks for all the friendly, helpful and informative replies to my "Chromatic" Accordeon question. I think I understand it now. To think I was going to be able to copy all the licks I hear on Conjunto/Norteno/Tejano, etc. radio stations on my new traditional 3-row boxes, only to find that some of these hot licks are being played on a Chromatic. Oh well- I'll be happy if I can eventually play even a quarter of what is out there on my 3-rows. Maybe I can fake-it & sing the "in-between" notes I can't get on my 3-rows, lol !
     However, to me 3-rows is an amazing new world of possible notes compared to the very great, but much more limited 1-row, 10-button Cajun accordeons of which I have been more familiar with up to now. I would like to try one of those Chromatic boxes though I if I ever take a trip to Texas, I will certainly take you up on ypur offer, Gino.
        Thank you,
                        Jimmy 
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B and C system are fingering arrangements, tuning is the same on C and B system.

Here's what you can do on Chromatic..



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Thanks Glenn! Man, I could listen to this all day long. Oh, and I could look at her all day long too! Jeje!


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Wow !! Now THAT'S really Chromatic !!! They sure make it look easy, don't they ? Did I hear a few "bent" notes in there, like a blues harp effect ?
                                     Thank you,
                                                     Jimmy 
                                               
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Glenn, thankyou for the video, I have always admired there jazzy style an I think the female that usually plays with this gentlemen is drop dead gorgeous!


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Hey guys hows it going! I just became a member, glad I did too. You find alot of information here. I also would like to take on the challenge of learning the chromatic accordion after playing Norteno for seven years. I'm shoping around for one, maybe Saltarelle or Castagnari, although they are quite expensive, not alot of people have one. Does anyone know where to find sheet music for chromatic? I would let you guys know how fast or slow I'll pick up the chromatic. Although personally, I think it would be easier than a diotonic accordion. Diatonic was the first instrument I picked up, and if I could, I would have started with another instrument. It took me longer than most of my bandmates to learn the theory behind the music because of the incomplete scales and limitations. I'll keep posting. See ya

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Hey Tao Tao ,  

    I collect sheet music for a hobby, an I play a little bit chromatic and I will say you can play almost any kind of sheet music from any instrument, but of course I have been recommended not to mess with clarinet because it starts in b# flat. If you use sheet music, you must learn to create your own bass lines because the only sheet music that has bass lines for accordion, is accordion sheet music. Its a fantastic instrument! 

You can take Mariachi music that is 200 years old an bring it to life again! I even have music from the Maya's , Yaqui indians, an Huchiole Indios, (mexican indians) Mestizos 1700's . You can do the same thing on a Piano accordion but the board may be to long in width for your desire....juss my opinion, I hope this helps..

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Hey Gino, do you know anyone who is selling a chromatic? Saw your videos, cool! What brand is your accordions?

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You can check out my small collection on myspace picture, the cheapest brand new chromatic box you will buy is called the "Hohner Nova" . They have a 96 bass with 5 registers an a 72 bass with 2 registers, they usually cost about as much as a laptop computer, about 1,400 or 1,600, but the really big brand new boxes are about 7 grand or even 10 !! Mabe if I get famous, lol! jaja! I would like to have a box with glassy buttons just like the video Glenn posted! Jacksmusic.com , there really good with saling Novas, but if you try ebay then you are taking your chances.....


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there are a few members on the forum with chromatics for sale.
I am selling my fisitalia for 4 grand, 120 bass, handmade reeds, one treble and one bass in cassoto, with on board midi controler and mics. but this is probably not a good starter accordion.  You should find something cheaper and see if you like it first.
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PS Although a few people have said they think chromatic is easier than diatonic, I have found many of the fingering patterns on the chromatic to be more difficult and playing double notes is hard as well.
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I just posted 2 videos in the instructional video forum, on how the chromatic accordion works, i did it at the lowest level, mabe this will help, check em out if you want. I only shared what little knowledge I have.


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Hey Gino it's me again. Just wondering, Does chromatic sheet music the same as piano accordion? What do you think about Gabbanelli Chromatic? I'm getting closer to buying one.
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I have personally have played the Gabbenelli chromatics, they are very modern, the boards are not stepped, I have a very old B system accordion an the board is stepped an it can confuse a begginner a lil bit, anyhow....I think his chromatics are good. 

You can play all kinds of music,any sheet music, but I have been refered to not try an play the sheet music for clarinet, although I have already done so..... The piano sheet music will work but you may have to come up with your own bass lines depending on the song... some people that play piano music use a chromatic accordion with a "FREE BASS". This means both sides of the accordion sound the same, the bass buttons are "Single Notes",very expensive, mabe 10 grand or more. I own "Stradella Bass" this plays mostly chords 'Triple Notes"an comes at a good price.

I have some Huapangos comming in the mail, the sheet music is for Violin, so mabe I will use no bass....

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which gabbinelli chromatic are you looking at.  48 bass? 120 bass? How much are they asking for it now.  I would guess that with the price of the euro they are quite expensive.

You might want to shop around - there are many!!! chromatic builders out there and there are also some really good used models that you can save considerably on.

russ

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Some of these suckers are heavy. I know a person that set it on a stand and connected a compressor with a filter to it. Anyway, in and out is the same note.

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ummm....compressor, filter? we are talking an accordion, right?  maybe it was an old Cordovox...pre-MIDI electronic accordion....they used to have big bulky cables, tubes. etc etc

btw....the heaviest of the heaviest accordions are really only around 30 lbs or so...just to give people a sense......



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Hey Tao Tao
if you are serious about buying a top of the line chromatic you might want to consider my Fisitalia. 4 grand with tone chambers, handmade reeds, internal mics, midi -
Ask anyone they will tell you it is a good deal.
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I dont think Gabby sales free bass systems, but last I checked he was ganna sale me a nice chormatic for around 3,500 , but then a year later I walked into his shop an most of those boxes seem to have been sold, he only had 2 chromatics in his shop, a 96 bass an a 120 bass.


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     Now that I have a better understanding of how a Chromatic Accordeon works (and the notes are the same on the push & pull like that of the piano accordion), my next question is : Since a regular Piano Accordion is fully chromatic, does the Chromatic Button Accordeon have exactly the same range of notes (from lowest note to highest) as that of the Piano Accordion, except the layout of notes/buttons are different ? Also, are the sharp/flat buttons on the Chromatic Accordeon colored black to correspond to the black-colored sharp/flat keys of a regular Piano Accordion ? Thank you,
                                                      Jimmy

                                                                  

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Jimmy,

The number of notes depends on the accordion. Most full sized, 120 bass chromatics have a greater range than a 120 bass piano accordion. Chromatic models can have between 46 to 64 treble notes as opposed to the standard 41 treble notes on a piano accordion....

many accordion manufacturers provide charts on their websites about the number of notes/buttons/keys available on their accordions...you can familiarize yourself with the types/varieties available that from those....

The black/white buttons can correspond with the white/black keys on the piano keyboard.  In fact, when the Keyboard is made of white/black buttons that is almost always the case.  However, there is no rule that says a chromatic keyboard need be layed out with black/white buttons.  Many models can come with varied colors or uniformly the same color.....it's a little more varied than  the piano keyboard...that being said the notes themselves remain static on keyboard....they're not tied to the button color.....
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Harmonikahobby,
     Thank you very much for your in-depth clarification on this very unique, versatile instrument. I will be sure to check out those websites about the button/note layouts of these types of Accordeons.
     It never ceases to amaze me whenever I discover yet another type of the many Accordions that exist out there. Just one Yahoo search will yield all kinds of discoveries of Accordion types around the World, and I am entertained for hours on end- truly as interesting as Stamp collecting itself ! LOL.  We are all truly Blessed to have this wonderful instrument for us to enjoy. Thank you, 
                                                     Jimmy                            
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i think there is a 140 bass also...i think the board may be longer


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You can learn your way around the Chromatic with my Hohner Chromatic SqueezeBox iPad app:

http://AppCordions.com/accordions

It supports both B and C systems, has Stradella bass and can show the note and chord names for both systems.
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I have a compact "C" system 5 row instrument that I stock at my shop now days.
People who play guitar find that it is similar to that instrument in that a chord pattern can be transferred to another key merely by moving the hand but not changing the finger pattern.
The big advantage is being able to plat in any key with the same hand pattern in most cases.

We provide lessons at our shop.

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