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I'm trying to figure out some stuff to help me learn theory, adornos, norteños, etc. I realized adornos are almost entirely in the scale of the key they're in throughout the entire song, which is a lot different than most music, but also a lot easier to figure out what might sound good and improvise.

I kind of had an idea for a tab system for me...I don't know if this is an actual thing, or if it doesn't make sense, but I just want to write it out.

Songs come in every key, but each song pretty much sticks to that scale. So what if after deciding what key the song is in, let's say C, you write it out as 12345678, being CDEFGABC. If there did happen do be any divergences from the scale, you would throw a # or b in there. So 2# would be D# in the key of C.

Now if we did that in G, 12345678 would be GABCDEF#G. For D, 12345678 would be DEF#GABC#D. And so on.

Therefore, the number system would be easily transposable to whatever key you want to play in.

A simple adorno would be 5 6 7 8 - 7 6 5 4 3 2 1.

So you could play that as GABC-BAGFEDC in C, or DEF#G-F#EDCBAG in G, etc.

If you want to add some harmony in there, it would be 5 6 7 (8/10) 7 6 5 4 3 2 (1/3/5)x3 which would be G A B CE - B A G F E D CEGx3.

Does this make sense to anyone? Obviously, it's most useful for keyboard and piano because you have the ability to play fully in every key. Maybe it's just useful to me.

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So you would have to learn the fingerings both numeric and alphabet? It sounds like double the effort and work or maybe I'm not understanding?
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The numbers would always be the same, the scales would change. So the same number would play the same adorno in all twelve keys. You would just have to know all the scales. Or you could just learn three scales or however many you want.
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Ok I see what you're saying, I just started playing about a year ago by ear. I tried sheet music but it's taking longer to learn a tune for me.
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I've always learned songs exactly as they are without improvising myself. Same for me, it takes longer to learn a tune by sheet music than by ear. Usually I'll use the sheet music to slowly learn the beginning and than learn the rest slowly by ear. Due to that, I've never been able to sight read, because playing by ear has always been faster.
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This video explains exactly what I was thinking. Very useful!
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I know I'm late, but there is something kinda similar to your idea. It's used mainly in guitar chords, though.

I don't know if you're familiar with Solfege. Solfege = Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Ti and do again.

They follow the same rules you were talking about the numbers, like the number 1 being relative to the key. So, 1 in the key of C is C, 1 in the key of Bb is Bb, and so on. 

Solfege is the same thing, and has been around for...well forever. 

Do=1
Re=2
Fa=4

and so on.

It would be easier for people if everyone knew they're scales, but unfortunately, many don't.

 

Definitely like the idea though, I find the modern tab system a pain in the butt.

It's much harder for songs that have really intricate adornos, since it's hard to hear every individual notes rhythmic value.


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TANIA

I KNOW THIS WILL HELP FOR A BEGINNER PLAYER.   I REMEMBER TRYING TO TEACH MY LITTLE GIRL TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR ON THE PIANO.   FOR SOME REASON SHE CLIKED WITH THE NUMBERS MORE THAN THE LETTERS.   SO NOW SHE KNOWS IT IN THE TONE OF C ( DO )     I TAPED TABS WITH NUMBERS ON THE PIANO KEYS.   SO C OR DO IS 1


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I GUESS SOME PEOPLE ARE BETTER WITH NUMBERS THAN LETTERS !!!  

IN MUSIC ..... I SAY ....... WHATEVER WORKS FOR YOU !!!


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Thanks for the responses. I just bought myself an acoustic guitar, so now I have something new to look forward to.
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Tania ,

I've had one for about 3 months now....  Don't know much but I learned all the Chords I use to sing my songs. 


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FORGOT TO MENTION, THE MELODY FOR TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR IS THE SAME FOR THE ABC SONG ... SO SHE LEARNED 2 SONGS AT THE SAME TIME !!!  


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