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he's a BADASS player but i do think its a little much. He's clean but too "fancy"(if thats what u wanna call it) Of course its different from the style most of us in the forum play, so i hope i didnt offend anyone


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Agreed, he's got tremendous talent, but his arrangements are over done.  A riff  here and there may be fine, but he uses it through out the whole song, were to me, me enfada.


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There's another guy out there named Marito Aguilar...You can find his videos on you tube.  He's incredible - I think he's got a much better style and he's able to play blues, jazz....  Rosas is really good but not as good as Marito.  Just my 2 cents. 

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In case you guys did not notice Marito is on the bass.

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Monster.

Depends on your tastes. Steve Vai or Stevie Ray Vaughn? The ever passionate argument of progressive vs mainstream.

Despite the endless arguments...neither are wrong, both are right. What will really cook your noodle is that some who were once considered progressive (Like Stevie Ray, RIP), over the years are now mainstream...

Sounds like Cachorros on steroids. Listen to Buddy Holly...then Reverend Horton Heat....same effect. Some Buddy Holly fans of old are horrified by RHH...but life must go on.

I for one can't get enough of innovation...I never cease to be amazed. Mario's Chromatic scales in thirds still put the fear in me...for I doubt I could ever do it that smooth. Still... step on the gas and play what you play...if it's from the heart, there will alway be an audience.

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Mario Rosas is extremely talented and innovative! Would I say he is the best? No, but simply because it depends one ones taste of music and style. That is the reason I agree 100% with Aaron regarding this answer. It is very well answered and expressed.
Thanks for posting the video!

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es bueno el pelao....


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I agree with all the other comments. No right or wrong, but Mario is definitely in the MAJOR LEAGUES of accordion playing - along with Marito and many others.
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I think Mario is ONE of the greatest diatonic accordion players ever. I think he does too much overkill, overplay, what have you. Don't get me wrong, I wish I could do a miniscule of his accordion playing. Maybe in this video, the drummer is also making just too much noise overplaying tambien. That's one thing I have noticed about Nortenio. The groups that I have heard live have had too much drum racket. Mario could have his own show by himself. He could have accordion player wanna be's in awe for hours on end.

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Technique x Speed = Mario Rosas

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ARE WE TALKING ACCORDION BASS OR BAJOSEXTO??????


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I THINK, HE IS AWESOME, I AM FLABBERGASTED. I DO NOT THINK IT IS OVER KILL BY ANY MEANS, THAT IS JUST WHAT HE FEELS INSIDE. THIS IS HIS STYLE. WE NEED NEW AND DIFFERENT SOUNDS TO KEEP CONJUNTO /NORTENO ALIVE. WILL EVERYBODY LIKE IT? OF COURSE NOT!! WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TASTE IN MUSIC. I THINK HIS STYLE KEEPS THE AUDIENCE ON THEIR TOES!! LOL!! I THOUGHT I HEARD SOME STEVE JORDAN AND RUBEN VELA/TONY DE LA ROSA INFUENCE IN HIS PLAYING!


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Wow, the 2 Mario's on the same page! Ummm, I really don't know who's better, both of their progressive/ innovative styles rock....
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This guy is a good accordion player and has came up with his very own style of playing. And I support anyone who comes up with creativity. Even if it seems over killed it surely shows the talent he has. Some people have taste for the fancy riffs and aggressive playing. I think there is no such thing as one best accordion player. What I do believe is there maybe one, two or three accordion players who we look up to and want to play like them and admire them making them #1 in your books. If we even start on the who is the best accordion player subject we would never end the subject because everyone has there #1. That said a subject should be created on that. Who is your role model in your accordion playing? Ill do that right now

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THE MUSIC SOUNDS TIGHT, THE VOICES DON'T THOUGH,

AT TIMES THE ADORNOS ARE OVERDONE BUT BOTH MARIO ROSAS, AND MARITO ARE BADASS ACCORDION PLAYERS. 

THE SAD TRUTH ABOUT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY THOUGH, IS NOT THE TALENT YOU HAVE BUT ARE YOU MARKETABLE, DO YOU HAVE THE LOOK THEY CAN SELL?  THE GENERAL MUSIC BUYING AUDIENCE AND THOSE AT BAILES DON'T EVEN NOTICE THE TALENT ON THE ACCORDION PLAYING THEY JUST WANT TO HEAR THE LYRICS TO THE SONGS.

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So very true.  La Ley de los Numeros.
To other musicians it's a "WOW". To others it's "Que Ruidazo"
Maybe taking a video on the side of the band is not a good idea. If the video taker would go over to the front away from the band the drums might not sound like such a racket.
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its called talent......
this is gotta be the sickest acordion player ive ever heard live.....
i got a hold of a live cd mario rosas did here in houston with los pumas de michoacan..... and man...  this compadre was playing el palomito so wicked that (this is true, no joke) eleazar, from los pumas started choking from his astonishment, i assume of hearing this man play....... con respeto a todo los acordeonistas, pero esta camarada es el mejor acordeonista que e escuchado... si hay algun otro mejor favor de decirme por me gustaria escucharlo......

ive seen the other guy mentioned, marito, no le quito lo suyo, porque tambien trae estilo muy similar, pero en mi opinion es mucho mejor el mario rosas.....

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Mario Rosas took Juan Villarreal's skills/style to another level, still norteño, like it very much
Marito is very good too, so good that sometimes I don't like it as much and sometimes doesn't even sound norteño, sometimes jazzy (i don't know), at least what I've seen on youtube
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Like this style very much. Sounds similar to what Marito plays.  I would say that they are same level.  My opinion

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Esta super barbaro para tocar! ni en mis sueños mas eroticos podria tocar asi! pero volvemos a lo mismo no me gusta.. DIFICIL no es necesariamente igual a AGRADABLE.. es mi punto de vista.


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Saludos Comp Gera,
Le diste en la pura cabeza al clavo.  Bueno eso para la pura opionion de nosotros, va haber muchos musicos que ese etilo es de su agrado.  El super talento nadie se lo quita.  A lo mejor, Mario es el prinsipio de un nuevo movimiento como lo fue Ramon Ayala en sus tiempos.  La gente de antano que estaba impuestos a la musica de Alegres no lo pasaban y no lo pasan todavia,  por ejemplo, mi papa.  Son diferentes empocas. 

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Guys with skills like that are the ones that should be winning Grammy's and so on. One day, one day...............
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Que onda compadre Lalo!!?! Gusto saludarte espero que estes bien! Pues si como dices es nuestra humilde opinion.. Estamos pendientes!! a ver cuando nos hechamos unas frias y unas polkitas con mi compadre Raul..


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i think it sounds good. nice tempo,  if it were too fast, i think it would spoil the sound.

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marito este es el
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Nice!  El ritmo lo lleva en el chicle!!! jajaja


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I wonder if mario and marito are related in any way or do they just happen to play the same way, I like the style they got a it's a bit more progresive than what we are used to playing, but esta ATM, seems I have to start reheasing more to keep up with the new style that they got! peace & love dont hate participate.


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tremendo talento! los dos tocan a toda m.  son maestros de las escalas y le ha invertido mucho tiempo.

cada quien toca lo que puede.

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DIFICIL no es necesariamente igual a AGRADABLE

muy bien dicho compa, hacen garras el acordion pero como que derrepentaso le echan mucha crema a los tacos, pero pos cada quien verda  

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pss ese Marito toca el acordeon re bonito..... pero el Chicle lo masca rete feo! lol....


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im going to have to agree. it does get a little annoying after a while. He needs to find a middle ground. Play a little less on those runs or simplify them. we all know that your talented, but that doesnt mean you need to show off EVERY SONG ON EVERY RUN.
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One thing- we have all congratulated these super accordion players for their ability and have expressed our desire to play somewhat like that, B U T do you think if these talented musicians were to record a CD exclusively of all these runs and licks (no singing)it would sell to the majority of the CD buying public?  Most don't know what's going on or what's being played.
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hes a great player but does way to much adornos 

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i really like both.... they're both great musicians pero i'd give it to marito.... aunke aveses los dos se pasan jeje pero in my opinion its only too much if you dont know how to follow him.....  a badass acordion player deserves a badass group that can follow his every move.... que no?? my two cents

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Esta musica no es para todos.          But, man it sure is for me!!!!       Amazing!!!!
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http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=b8WSxxOmNJ4 there's something to be said about Marito. Hands down better than Rosas
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wow este mario rosas  si que es mucha  pieza  la verdad  no  megusta  su estilo
pero si me sorprende  su agilidad  y destreza  y  estoy seguro  que  el puede tocar
cualquier  estilo  de  cualquier  acordionista  solo que  pues  el  escojio  este estilo
y pues esta  bien  cada quien  lo suyo
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Como yo soy mas viejito que los que aqui estan opinando puedo decir que este estilo de Mario Rosas no es original. He is not original. Why?  Porque yo tenia el album donde se tocaban esas polkas que el toca incluyendo el huapango Redoblando. It was in the 1960's when my brothers and I recorded for Ideal Records.  El estilo de tocar es una copia de el gran Maestro Oscar Hernandez, el que tocaba con Paulino Bernal. Traian dos acordeones cromaticas.  Escuchen Dedos Acrobatico con Oscar Hernandez y veran que lo que yo digo es cierto. Yo no oigo nada de Juan Villarreal aqui. Pero, sin duda, Mario es un gran acordionista.  To me, Oscar es el Grand Daddy de todos los acordionistas. He was like Esteban, too advanced for his time. Working people of the 60's or 70's could not identify with this style.  But that does not take away from these accordionists' talent!
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Mr. Pepito, i was just gonna say the same thing! I do think Mario Rosas is a great accordion player, but at times it is a bit too much. He has a version of El Palomito,but its puro pisadas. Oscar did invent this style though. I guess the difference is he's doing this in the norteno world as opposed to conjunto. I guess it depends on the individual. Just the same as i think, i love the sounds of Los Chachos, Conjunto Bernal, and Los Buenos. When i play thier music, people dont like it. They prefer the Albert Zamora, Grupo Vida shakes. A cada quien su rumbo, to each his own i guess!
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You are so right! Yo siempre pienso que lo mas simple es lo mas bonito.  Mucha crema a los tacos enfada.  Algo que si quiero decir es que hoy en dia yo no puedo distinguir quien esta tocando. Me refiero a los conjuntos "progressive".  No tienen un estilo singular, distinto, muy suyos. Hay mucha copiadera. En otros tiempos identificabas a los conjuntos simplemente por el acordionista: un Ruben Vela, Un Flaco Jimenez, Un Oscar Hernandez, Un Tony de la Rosa, Un Valerio etc. Al sonar el acordion sabias quien era. Hoy oigo un conjunto "progressive" y no distingo quien es quien. Los que han estudiado la teoria de la musica o notas musicales si se maravillan por la complejidad de la combinacion de las notas musicales. Pero el que va a bailar solo quiere oir musica alegre, pegajosa, que los anime. Solo el que sabe de musica y harmonias puede distinguir las notas. La raza humilde que tuvo poca o nada de escuela apenas si acabaron la secundaria le fue bien. Asi que de musica a lo mejor no saben.  Otra cosa creo que solo el que toca acordion y lo toca mas o menos puede saber quien es buen acordionista o no. Por que el que no lo toca, pues solo por el hecho de que se oye bien pueden opinar que "se avienta". No estoy hablando de estos "Marito" y Mario Rosas porque puedo decir que estos dos Si saben de musica y son muy buenos acordionistas. Mis respetos! Pero copiar un estilo, para mi, no equivale a "grandeza". Creo que se respeta mas al "original".  Y Oscar Hernandez es uno de los Grandes porque toca pisadas "muy complejas". Y lo digo yo que tengo mas de 40 años tocando el acordeon! y he compartido escenarios con Flaco, Esteban, Little Joe, Sunny and the Sun Liners, Los Dinos, Ruben Vela y otros. Yo creo que para juzgar "quien es quien" hay tomar en cuenta "quien lo esta diciendo" o "la fuente" de donde emana esa opinion!  
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A case in point is the playing of "redovas".  Muchos creen que los Cadetes tocan muy bien las redovas. Y si lo hacen bien. Pero han oido de "Juan Lopez" "el rey de la redova"?  Hay que fregarse con sus redovas.  Just the "finger work" on his compositions, they are "sick" like some people here say.  I call it alot of "finger looping".  Busquen en youtube "Pasos cortos" de Juan Lopez. This man is from Premont, Tx. is truly "El rey de la redova".  And the redovas are his original compositions.  Y muchas partes de sus redovas se las han robado y las han intercalado en otras: Tales como "De china a Bravo" que tiene dos partes que Juan compuso en los 40's y estan en su disco en "Arhoolie" records.  Hay un doctor ddhinojosa de Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, que interpreta y reconoce a Juan Lopez en youtube. Alli toca una redova de Juan que se llama " La chiquita".  Listen to it and I guarantee you'll be in "awe" with the finger.  I play about 8 of Juan's redovas unfortunately I don't know the names of all of them but to learn them, Me tuve que chin.....ar! Bien bonitas!! 
Y no se diga cuando el bajista le mete el "arpegio" a la redova y al chotis.  Hoy en dia algunos "bajo sexteros" ni saben que es "el arpegio".  Se quedan con los ojos cruzadas como que si les diste con un 2 x 4 en la frente.  "Que es eso"? dicen.  DAAAAAAAAAAA!  El arpegio es el que le da el sabor a la redova y el chotis.  Es como la "sazon" en la comida. Ajua!     

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This musician is a great accordion player, h o w e v e r, the measures are somewhat cut up (atravesado en el tiempo). Oscar was playing these polkas at warp speed.  This style of polkas is sort of Wisconsin type.
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Raza, this is the last thing I'm going to say on this subject. Go to youtube and look up Oscar Hernandez y Los Alegres del Valle. It's the original recordings of : Descarrilando, Dedos Acrobaticos, Memorias, Redoblando, Mis Coronelas etc. He recorded for the same record label my brothers and I recorded for: Del Valle Records out of McAllen, Tx.  The cover of the album which I had, shows Oscar Hernandez sitting on his cromatic accordion with palm trees in the background.  At over 60 years old he still will out play a lot of 20 and 30 year olds today. These are the original recordings and the original style of accordion playing. Listen to Redoblando and notice the 2 parts left out by some of the latest accordionists.  In fact at a conference at the Narciso Martinez Cultural Arts Center in San Benito, Tx. he mentioned that he named the huapango "Redoblando" because he "redoubled" the finger licks on the buttons. Listen to the last part of the huapango and you will understand why and with what "precision" he hits those notes. Again, I don't want to "minimize" Mario Rosas' abilities or finger agility, but "original"... I don't think so. He is a great accordionist, my respects, but we need to research a little bit so that we can sustain our position expressed.  Thank you!!!!!!!!!
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uuy  y eso  que estamos  ablando de no echarle tanta crema a los tacos je je
yo creo que  a cada quien su santo  solo mi opinion
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no doubt a great player but i personally dont find his style or maritos style original. i think they very much ride along Mr. Juan Villareal's style. All of their videos are mostly covers of Cachorros songs. When i see an original style develop then i feel like everybody has a right to "consider'' them among the best. i dont like to judge based upon a nifty upgrade to an old song. just an observation.
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I AGREEE WITH PEPITO. OSCAR HERNANDEZ IS THE KING. I HAVE A COPY OF THAT ALBUM WITH THE POLKA DEDOS ACROBATICOS ON DEL VALLE RECORDS.  SOME AWESOME ACCORDION ACTION ON THAT RECORD.  WHAT YEAR DID THAT ALBUM COME OUT PEPITO? 


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everyone has there style but its true they put a litle to much in there music
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Eddiedelnorte, that album came out in mid 1960's. My brothers and I used to record for Del Valle Records in 1968.  I had that album too. One side all polkas and the other all songs. 
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