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Julianelbegginer

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hey every one I wanted to open up this discussion and space on a topic that im really interested about. I also want to hear thoughts and opinions, but on a specific level not just in  a "oh i hate el movimiento alterado, it sucks" sort of way. I can't be a hipocrit, i love the new sound of groups coming out in our day and age. You have groups like voz de mando, Enigma Norteno, Calibre 50 and key artist who have revolutionized or changed the genre in some sort of way. Like Gerardo Ortiz, Roberto Tapia, Larry Hernandez. I can also tell you i grew up listening to groups like Los Alegres de terran, Cadetes de Linares, Ramon Ayala, Luis y julian, Carlos y jose, Key singers like Chalino Sanchez. In this discussion id love to hear about the changes in accordion play, And how speed in playing the accordion is now being used more often. or changes in Studio software or whatever in making corridos or just regional norteno music sound better. Whatever bring it to the plate but dont be vauge.

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+MY OPINION OF MOVIMIENTO ALTERADO IS THAT LOS JEMELOS WHERE 2 SMART BROTHERS THEY FOUND A WAY TO KEEP THE PUBLIC INTRESTED..... IM NOT A BIG FAN OF THEIR LYRICS BECAUSE YOU REALLY DONT GAIN NUTHING POSITIVE FROM THEM BUT THEY DO HAVE COOL BEATS THAT TO MY OPINION THATS THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE BEGAN TO FOLLOW THEM....BEFORE THEY HAD MOVIMIENTO ALTERADO THEY HAD SIGN VICTOR OCHOA FROM A LOCAL RD STATION CONTEST (LA QUE BUENA) HERE IN LOS ANGELES AND ALSO THEY SIGN A REGETON ARTIST WHICH DIDENT DO SO GOOD....VICTOR OCHOA DID GOOD AND HE HAD A SINGLE ON THE RADIO WHICH WAS A LOVE SONG BUT I GUESS THAT WASENT ENOUGH FOR THE TWINS SO THEY DROP HIM AND THEY STARTED MOVIMIENTO ALTERADO SIGNING ARTIST LIKE LOS BUITRES AND ROGELIO MARTINEZ AMONG OTHERS AND THEY FOCUZ ON STRONG KILLING LYRICS WHICH THE PEOPLE LIKE FOR A WHILE ....NOW DAYS I DONT THINK MOVIMIENTO ALTERADO IS DUING TO GOOD MOST OF THERE ARTIST LEFT TO SIGN WITH DEL RECORDDS


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right, thats so true and the DEL Records label is now making it big. With The ortiz brothers. Im a big fan of Gerardo ortiz and Regulo Caro. i like El komander too. Ya and your talking about the twins whove named theirselves Twinsculiacan huh they created their label. And they founded or established El movimiento Alterado. Wow its all making sense thanks bro

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buitres are cool too. Ay are you coming to washington anytime soon man.

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yeah well del is no making no money of ortiz brothers mainly of gerardo ortiz cause kevin hasent yet release a cd yet..... gerardo open the doors to his fam because thats one of the main reason regulo made it gerardo help him get notice i guess by hooking him up with tamarindo....now people know of kevin ortiz and also william ortiz..... gerardo ortiz music is cool but im not a huge fan yet......they are still young if they can remain to do it for years then thats when you earn my respect example ramon ayala...los tucanez etc yeah comander is cool but he is not a great singer his writting ability got him where he is at now......yeah los hermanos jemelos founded twins culiacan


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Its not always the singers..but the musicians that play for them. Without an awesome accordion bajo tuba and drummer none of these guys get anywhere. I like the movimiento alterado but to tell u the truth most of these guys dont have an oustanding voice. Regulo caro and komander cant sing for beans. But the music jus makes them sound that much better.
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thats true groups deserve way more props than what they get for playing the accordion, the tuba or tololoche. But you have to admit Regulo and El Komander may not have great voices but the composing they do is beast. Especially Regulo.

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ylacheyenneapa23 i agree with you compa.....with gerardo he sings good but they also use top notch musicos.....marito accordion lencho bajo sexto pulpo on drums.....it makes sence that the musico make the cd sell lol


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I usually listen to them cuz of the creative music ideas they display in the music. Regulo is a good composor along with gerardo ortiz. All the twins clan is kinda sucky in my opinion. Thats why erick estrada and noel torres went with del. Id stick with voz de mando, calibre 50, dareyes now those guys get down.
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I jus think that their singing is overated in my opinion. A quality vocalist will strive with any musician. Regulo always needs marito to record his songs cuz witout marito he wont sell. 75% of the time a person will listen to a song and like it for the music beat rythm and melodies. Not the lyrics.
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not to forget dueto luis y ramon and buitres did too lol and by the way little inside gererado ortiz recorded with twins before del lol.....i dontthink erick estrada and noel left cause twins suck mostly because they where not happy with the business deals......voz de mando is good and they came out outof nowhere jorge gaxiola the accordion player and singer use to play bass with nacho hernandez and jr barraza and suddenly recorded a cool cd and voz de mando came up.... calibre 50 is cool the lead singer has a cool style thats why i was a fan of colmillo norteno....untill he left them hahahah....dareyes mmmm not a big fan of that style.....


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Yeah dareyes is beast in his playing his singing not my favriote , Erick Estrada no thanks i dont like his singing either but i respect any accordionist. Noel Torres somewhat gets down. That comando del diablo duet with gerardo ortiz and his corrido chepo torres is something i bump, but i dont further search his music. Voz De mando is what i love to jam,Regulo and Gerardo, Arley Perez as well. Fidel Rueda also a favriote. And hohner 323  i definatley agree with you compa when you talked about old groups and singers like Ramon Ayala y los tucanes who kept bringing out hit after hit. Its hard to have one hit, but its harder to have that consistency in making hit after hit like groups did back in the day.

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im a big fan of the old school but im definetly open to new talent..... new groups that i would say is the future of norteno......los herederos de nuevo leon...la leyenda.... leandro rios.... thats good traditional music with young talent


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Hermanos Vega JR.
Great musicians, great vocalist and humble. These guys are going far in the music industry
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yeah i forgot to mention them


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First time I heard a corrido alterado on the radio, I loved the sound of the music, especially the accordion. I didn't even hear any lyrics because I was too focused listening to the music. I finally listened and I don't care too much for the lyrics. I feel it's too negative. It just seems that every song glorifies the lifestyle that is currently keeping families from visiting their relatives in mexico. Maybe I'm wrong. I have only listened to a handful of them, so my opinion is based on this small selection.
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I do plan on learning to play some because this will only help improve my understanding of how to play the accordion and using the scales.
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My opinion,

At first, i did not like Movimiento Alterado because of the lyrics, the first two song i listen, talk about the life style of narcos, basicamente que si eres narco tienes mujeres drogas y dinero a monton

But then my girlfriend show me some song in her celphone, and there were really good, I mean musicalmente hablando, I love the sound of the accordion and Tuba together, 
First I star listen Calibre 50 and then Gerardo Ortiz, then the Komander and los Buitres, they have really good musicians.

But is true what @artlsx10 said, 
Este estilo de musica esta fomentando la ola de vilencia que se vive en Mexico,
la gente antes escuchaba los narcocorridos pero no queria ser como Caro Quintero o camelia la texana.
Pero ahora es diferente los jovenes quieren ser como mencionan los nuevos narcorridos,
Ricos, bien vestidos, con carro del año y mujeres a monton.

Seria bueno que ese mismo estilo de musica pudiera contar otro tipo de historias

Esa es mi humilde opinion

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Moway82 y artlsx10 tienen razon, La musica refleja una vida mafiosa y los jovenes luego se influyen en ser sicarios oh en ser involucrados en lo que es el Narco Trafico  y crea una perspectiva negativa en lo que es nuestro Mexico. Pero dang the music sounds lovely to me. No hay nada mejor than bumping some Komander in my F-150 a todo volumen. Es como una droga tambien escuchar esta musica. Yo get hooked.
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in my opinion, there is some good bands in the alterado style,  voz de mando love the lyrics of (versos de mi alma) beautiful song  calibre 50  some good music good lyrics,  
gerardo ortiz has some beast musicos. el accordion en aqui les presento or de cara a la muerte sounds great. but honestly i cant listen to los inquietos del norte i just dont like there style  music is sort of ok. but the lyrics only talking about drinking buchanans,  driving  at crazy speeds. sex and doing drugs , and is just weird that here in chicago seems like a lot of peps  love their music.

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i Love Versos de mi Alma. Everything Voz de mando is doing is beast right now. And i AGREE!!!! i dont really like los inquietos especially that puertas al infierno song" Like wth is that dude. yes El accordionista del Gerardo is beast and hes young hopefully he has more for us along with the rest of the musicos in the future. I cant wait till gerardos new cd comes out its taking forever. no its not just in chicago my friend here in Seattle tambien.

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Musically aterado has very interesting musical parts. It is something very different from the norm. On the other had the lyrics of the song are awful and the singer IMO cant sing. As far as the arrangement of the muisc like I said very intersting the progressions that are played and the form they are played in. I personlly refuse to play any of the songs that glorify the killing of innocent people. Narco corridos have always been around but these guys glorifiy what is wrong with Mexico and much of the US.

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I like the music but not the messages. Have you noticed that (may be not if you never tried hunting from your car) that animal do not run? You can kill any animal easier from your car, you can get closer because animals do not recognize cars as enemies. Because they do not learn yet that's hunter is driving it. Well, it is exactly the same with music. We all like music and most of the people do not identified danger in wrong messages just because it is in songs!!! But it still negative, bad, danger terrible specially for our kids which we are supposed to protect. We should recognize evil ( not talking about religion here) riding in songs. I love norteno music but not bad messages. Excuse my bad English.
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aqui va mi opinion...yo odiaba este tipo de musica hasta hace tiempo...la razon? facil me enganche con la musica no con las letras....si me preguntas te conozco varias rolas de gerardo del tal noe torres regulo y otros wueyes pero ni se ni me interesa de lo que hablan la verdad no les pongo atencion a lo que dicen..las oigo por la musica los adornos que meten de todo bateria bajo acordeon bajosexto debemos admitir que son muy buenos algunos y novedosos que te dan ganas de saber como los hicieron y de sacarlos para aprender mas ..por eso compro cds de esa musica hay canciones que el dia que las saque podre decir que ya voy avanzando i ademas pues soy fan de inesperado cuando andaba marito y pues ya ven que este compa es muy solicitado para este estilo...my two cents
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first of all Voz De Mando Enigma Norteño and Calibre 50 are not from el Movimiento Alterado some people called them Corridos Alterados cus of the style those bands play. El Movimiento Alterado are the bands that belong to the record company of Twin Enterprices which are like over ten bands or maybey more all of this who are based in the state California. Personaly I like the the way these bands play but I prefer the style of the singers and bands of Del Records I like but they enovated the music of Corridos in a great waygiving them a more hardcore sound and Im a Accordionist my self but I just dont like the lirics in them all the violence
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I was not a big fan of la musica alterada to be honest. As I got back into playing the accordion I enjoy playing songs from voz de mando y calibre 50 primarily. One or two from Gerardo Ortiz. Noel Torres bores me to death. I like the beat and the music and the ambiente that style hace. I think the singers are average, not amazing for sure. The like the challenge of playing the accordion fast and accurate. It drives me. I love Ramon Ayala, Cadetes, Invasores, Los Tigres, Intocable and a lot others. That music has more sentimiento, more enjoyable, and is not foreign music to others. Its music you can relate to, on the other note musica altereda is just about getting crazy and getting out of control.
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lol 100% on board con JF7 they got the hard core sound but the lyrics kill us or them lol jk jk
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