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Eh toi, tout quelqu'un (ay twa, too kee can - means hey everybody),

 

Since the subject came up, I thought I'd start an independent thread for Zydeco & Cajun discussion. If it gets to be too big, maybe Gilbert could set up a whole new heading, since it's different from the usual Tex-Mex, Conjunto, & Norteno topics.

 

Anyhow, with Jacinto & ChicanoKid coming on board and I already knew Russ was interested in it, why not?

 

To tackle the Creole vs Cajun thing, Cajuns are the white French speaking descendants of the Acadian/Nova Scotian refugees that ended up in Louisiana. The word Cajun comes from their original name for themselves, Acadienne, which, when said fast and especially by non-French speakers, sounds like Cajun.

 

The Creoles are the French speaking blacks who came to Louisiana primarily as slaves from the Carribean islands and from France. There were also many free people of color in the mix, they weren't all slaves. But not all blacks in Louisiana are Creoles, either. If they were brought in from other areas of the U.S., like Mississippi, Alabama, etc., they wouldn't necessarily have had the French background.

 

Of course, there are many people of other backgrounds (German & Irish, in particular) who have been assimilated into both the Cajun & Creole cultures. Marriage would do it, so would simply living there and participating in the life-style.

 

Anyhow, Cajuns & Creoles brought different musical influences into Louisiana and for a long time, up to about the 1950's, there wasn't a huge difference between the instrumentation and song repertoires of the two cultures. The main difference was one of style and emphasis. If there were two bands around the corner, they could take turns playing the same song and you could tell by the feel which was the Creole band and which the Cajun band.

 

After the '50's, they started to pull apart and the music of the Creoles ultimately developed into Zydeco. During that time, the Cajuns held on to the fiddle & accordion and a more acoustically oriented sound while the Creoles ended up losing the fiddle and making the accordion & scrubboard the core of a more amplified sound.

 

Buckwheat is one of those who is personally IS a Creole and who doesn't want to be labelled Cajun. On the other hand, Queen Ida is definitely a Creole, herself, but she doesn't mind the Cajun label.

 

There are some young Creole musicians who grew up surrounded by the Zydeco that are going back to their older roots and bringing back the use of the fiddle and calling it Creole music.

 

At any rate, this could go on and on. To conclude, Jacinto:

 

I already play a version of Uncle Bud that I'm satisfied with, but I'd like to hear what you do with Joe Pitre.

 

For the ChicanoKid, if you're playing Toot Toot in G on an EAD box, you're doing it the hard way. I'll see can I tab out my 1-row version for you. I'm also working out a 3-row version, but it won't sound all that different, since I've already got it in my head.

 

The main reason I'm here is that the Zydeco musicians in Louisiana and Houston make use of 3 types of accordion - 1-row, 3-row, & piano key. I thought I'd like to expand my own playing into the 3-row, so I bought one from Glenn a year ago and he turned me onto this forum.

 

It made sense to start learning this stuff, since I'm in Tucson, and there you are. It's been fun.

 

Y'all keep squeezin'

 

J.P.

 

 

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Hey, is "Toot Toot" the same song as "No te metas con mi cucu"? I believe they at least have the same melody.
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dosangeles,

 

Great post.....I'm always interested in learning about accordion history. 

 

I was actually turned on to Creole and Cajun music by an old TV show in Los Angeles, CA.  The "Mr. Pete" show. He used to have a band with accordion and scrub board.  He would feature musical guests playing zydeco/cajun/creole music. 

 

That was the first time I saw someone other than a hispanic playing a Gabbanelli 3-row.  It blew me away how that guy lit up the box.

 

Jacinto,  this section of the forum was an excellent suggestion. 

 

If you guys, Glenn, Jacinto, ChicanoKid, Russ, could please drop a couple of names besides the ones mentioned already.  I would definitly like to buy some of this music.

 

Thanks!

 

Ricardo 

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Thanks Glenn! 

 

I'll be sure to check them out.

 

Ricardo

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Que ondas amigos? = Como ca va mes amis? (como sa va, may zami?)

 

Sorry to drop out like that, I had a busy weekend, but thanks to Gilbert for finding a suitable home for the topic.

 

And Glenn took the ball and ran with it while I was away. The people he mentioned are well worth hearing. To add an old timer to the list, check out John Delafose (R.I.P.) and his son, Geno Delafose (still kicking and safe from the Katrina damage).

 

Also as Glenn mentioned, Houston is where Clifton Chenier really took off on his Zydeco career and Houston is still turning out great musicians.

 

There's Brian Jack & the Zydeco Gamblers, Step Rideau & the Zydeco Outlaws, J.Paul Jr. & the Zydeco NuBreedz, Dora & the Zydeco Bad Boys, Nooney & the Zydeco Floaters.

 

Gosh, they really want to make sure you know what kind of music they play, don't they. But they're all good.

 

I participate in a Zydeco discussion group that's primarily dancers (which a Zydeco musician really needs), but there are numerous musicians who chime in, too. It's at http://p210/ezboard.com/bzydeco  Check it out, you might find it interesting, maybe not.

 

There's also a couple discussion groups on Bravenet dedicated to the 1-row Cajun accordion, but Zydeco topics keep popping up about both the 1-row & the 3-row. I hope Glenn has those URLs because I can't seem to get to them right now. If he doesn't, I'll try to have them next time I'm on.

 

Keep on squeezin'

 

J.P.

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Hey JP.....Thank U..Hit Me Up On At chicanokid2003@yahoo.com.Or Call Me at 254-285-8455..im joe..laterz


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i like Wayne Toups songs, "jonnie cant dance" or "new orleans ladies" 

 

or Rory Gahlager song "king of zydeco"..

 

i found this artist page , http://www.lsue.edu/acadgate/music/zydecojoe.htm ZYDECO JOE he started playing at age 45 !!!!! man, i feel great hearing that, an at most feel like a baby toot! toot! i guess where never to OLD to learn verdad?

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IN THE LATE 1800'S, MY FAMILY CAME FROM SaN LuiS POToSI, MEXICO. THEY JUMPED ON BOX CAR TRAINS AN MADE THERE TRIP TO LOUISIANA,TO WORK IN THE CORN FIELDS, RIGHT ALONG WITH MANY OTHER MEXICANS. 

 

I AM FROM HOUSTON TEXAS, AN I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT RECIDE IN LOUISIANA, SOME IN SHREVEPORT, SOME IN NEW ORLEANS, SO LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THERE IS ALSO SOME SPANISH IN THE CAJUN MIX TOO.......I GREW UP EATING GUMBO, JAMBALAYA, BOUDIN, CRAWFISH, RIGHT ALONG WITH MY MENUDO,TAMALES, AN TACOS. I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS IN LOUISIANA, (THAT DONT NO A WORD OF SPANISH!), SOME ARE MUSCIANS, GRANDFATHER PLAYED THE VIOLIN,(fiddle)

 

BUT I AM THE FIRST TO ROCK THE ACCORDION!

 

THANYOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT CHICANO KID!

 

jumbalaya crawfish pon on da bayou, cus tonigh im gana get mi cheveleo...crawfish pon jambalya fila gumbo!

 

 

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A few Zydeco players also use the CBA.

 

My personal taste in Cajun Music is.. the older the better.

 

 I like both Cajun and Zydeco..

 

Zydeco seems to be more of an evolutionary music and all encmpassing whereas.. ( until recently) Cajun was fairly steady in its connection to its roots.

 

It also appears that some Zydeco musicians play Cajun tunes but Cajun players  (usually) do not play Zeydeco tunes

 

Both seem to be dance based music... and since dance based music is my favorite..  thumbs up to both.

 

Too bad Gary Hayman decided to call it quits.

 

 

 

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ITS ODD HOW PEOPLE TRAVEL AROUND THE WORLD, IT SEEMS THAT THE FRENCH HAVE ALWAYS HAD SOME NOMADIC PEOPLE.....

 

THE BIG ARGUMENT IN MY FAMILY IS OVER MY GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS, SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY WHERE FRENCH, OTHERS SAY SPAINARD, HOWEVER THEY DID HAVE BLONDE HAIR AN BLUE EYES, I ALSO KNOW THAT THEY HUNG THE FRENCH EMPEROR MAXIMILLIA IN SaN LuiS POToSI, MEXICO, AN SOON AFTER THAT MY FAMILY MOVED NORTH TO LOUISIANA....MABE THEY WHERE FRENCH?MABE THEY WHERE JUST SPAINAIRDS.....WE  WILL NEVER KNOW, AS IN WE INHERIT BOTH CULTURES, A LIL BIT OF ZYDECO/CAJUN AN SOME MEXICAN.... 

 

MY MOTHER DOES FACE PAINTING AT FAIRS, AN HAS BEEN IN MANY CAJUN/ZYDECO  FESTIVALS, OR WE LIKE TO CALL THEM CRAWFISH FETIVALS IN HOUSTON, THEY HAVE MANY ACCORDIONIST,AN LIVE BANDS I WISH I COULDA TOOK THE LAST FLYER AN POSTED IT......

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"Emperor" Maxmillian was an Austrian.. younger brother of  of Franz Josef I ,The "Emperor" of Austria

 

My great Grandfather was a Captain in Franz Josef's Personal Body Guard...

 

for a History of how the French put an Austrian in charge of Mexico.. check the following link:

 

http://www.mikecochran.net/Maximilian.html

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how amazing...i do supose the whole army was french an there where probably some austrians to, you think?

 i often meet a lot of mexicans that say they have french in them too....

thanx for the link, ima check it out....

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this is a very cool thread. one things for sure, Louisiana's music is as spicy as their cooking!


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Hi Everyone,

 

My first post here, all the way from Sydney Australia.  Love the forum having stumbled across reference to Reyesacordions.com in a Santiago Jiminez Jr youtube clip!  I must admit that when first attracted to the music of south west Louisiana it was Zydeco which captivated me.  However with time I grew tired of the over amplification, English lyrics and "too bluesy feel to the genre and began preferring Cajun music instead, which seemed more genuine.  Lately though, I have been admiring the talents of Geno Delafose (son of the late great Zydeco master - John Delafose).  Geno plays Zydeco with a single row diatonic instrument, and Cajun numbers with a Creole feel, and in the local French language.  Fantastic synthesis of the two forms of different, yet closely related musical forms. Check out this clip of the Cajun classic "Eunice Two-Step" for an example of his playing style.

 

 

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HardcoreChicano, I come from the same region your great great grandparents came from "La Huasteca", located in sevaral mexican states, including San Luis Potosi.  Since you mentioned it, the music genre from the region "El Huapango" (
) borrowed the violin from the french.   Maybe your grandpa was taught violin by some Huapanguero in you familiy who came from Mexico.    I hope you can rock some huapangos in you accordion.

The are a lot of blue eyed people in the region of San Luis Potosi.   That area is rich in culture and flavor.  I first had crawfish in 1991 in Beaumont Texas, and me and my kids loved it.  I introduced my cajun frien who introdcued me to crawfish to Chipotle sauce and we now we eat our crawfish with chipotle sauce on top of everything else. 
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I AM  HARDCORECHICANO , I CHANGED MY NAME ON THE FORUM

my great  grandpa used to play his violin with his accordion friend that lived across the street. My great grandfather had blue eyes an I think blonde hair of course it was white when I knew him, lol.

But I am trying to learn some huapangos, I can read sheet music, an I am learning the Moncayo Huapango an I am still looking for more, I found 5 more, but they never came in the mail.... 


panther , i was in australia for 45 days, Darwin, I really liked the enviroment an the people was so nice, an the beer was good an cheap! I can really see the cajun/zydeco music being in Australia, p/s , man......I loved eating the Kangaroo!!!!!!!!!




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The French were largely dark complected and dark hair and eyes

BUt  the Spanish had some help from the Germans back in Spain... therefore  blue eyes and blond hair
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I want to buy this Cajun box, or possibly trade someone in the near future...... 

I really do like the Hohner HA114


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If you are looking to buy a single row 10 button, don't bother with the Morellis or Arriettas.  They are nearly unplayable.  I took both of those brands apart and couldn't believe the lack of quality on the inside.

The German made Hohners are not too bad.  Some people will buy these as student are "starter" instruments.

If you are really serious about a single row, you need a hand made box from a reputable builder in Louisiana. 

I've been playing the single row for about 20 years now, and just recently picked up the triple row to do some zydeco numbers with my cajun band.  The crowd loves it when you mix it up.


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