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morro

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whats better rosewood or palo escrito please help.

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palo santo it a type of rose wood best bang for the buck

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what about palo escrito/?   whats the different?

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its a different type of rose wood Palo Escrito is the premiere native back and side wood used by the luthiers  Mexico. It is a true Rosewood, but differs from Indian Rosewood visually with slightly wider grain, more figure, and lighter color. It is also lighter in weight. palo santo is a higher end rose wood



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TruBluTejano

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Some good info Tocapoco. I wish I would have read this before ordering my Pasaye.  Oh well, I guess I'll have to buy another bajo


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morro

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Why tejano what happen?
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Morro- No, nada mal me paso.  no mas no sabia la diferencia de las dos maderas y me ordene uno de Palo Escrito.  Nada mas aqui estoy esperandolo con las ansias.

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morro

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Que chido compa yo tenia un hernandez peewee bajo de palo escrito y lo cambie por UNO de Caja grande suena con ganas
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David Hernandez de Paracho palo escrito bajo sexto:



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If I had the money I would get Rosewood. Palo Escrito is cheaper I think.


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ay varios tipos de palo escrito valla de diferente calidad aun asi nunca un palo escrito sera mejor q uno de palo de rosa ay si como dijo tocapoco depende q onde sera el palo de rosa el mejor es el palo de rosa de brazil tambien llamado palo santo aguas cuando te digan palo de rosa pregunta de onde  por q luego  no te vallan a vender un palo de rosa de la India como palo santo brazil...
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Y ese palo de Rosa de la India son buenos?
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El palo de Rosa de la India es exelente de lo mejor pero claro arribita de el esta el palo Santo de Brazil ese si no tiene mama es otro rollo quieres una foto aqui tengo uno q se va entregar si gustas te la envio por mail o si puedo la subo al rato...

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morro

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Tu bajo es de Rosa de india palo santo y cual ?
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el de mi foto del display del foro es palo de rosa de la India pero tengo unas fotos de un bajo de palosanto de brazil q estamos por entregar dame chance ahorita subo la foto...

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gracias por la informacion Mexabajo!


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mexabajo que es la diferencia entre palo santo de la india y palo santo de brazil y palo de rosa de la india y palo santo de brazil se que el segundo cacari de los videos de elias es palo santo de la india y el primero de que es

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Tocapoco aclarando la duda Palo Santo se le llama al palo de Rosa de brazil (SOLAMENTE) erroneamente en algunos videos se puso palo santo siendo q eran bajos de palo de rosa de la India.

Otra cosa palo de rosa ay de muchas nacionalidades todos tienen exelente sonido y belleza el de la India es el mas comun pero a mi parecer el palo de rosa de brazil tambien llamado Palo Santo es lo mas bonito q e visto y segun don abelino es la mejor madera con la q se puede trabajar en todos los aspectos.

Cocobolo es tambien palo de rosa y Palo Escrito de igual manera pero no son tan finas como las arriba mencionadas aunque como dije ay veces q el cocobolo y palo escrito derepente salen juegos de primerisima calidad y tambien dan exelente sonido.

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morro

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Dan mas sonido q palo de rosa? O palo sabto?
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En teoria debe de dar mejor sonido el palo santo de brazil y es mejor madera pero como te comente en instrumentos nada esta dicho pueden ser echos a la misma medida los 2 bajos la misma mano etc y el resultado puede ser al reves y sonar mas el de la india tambien depende q trato y tiempo fosilacion tenga cada madera a mas vieja es mejor sonido.

 
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mexabajo...in your opinion (you sound like you know what youre talking about and thats why i ask you....) is the quality difference between the Palo santo de brazil and the Palo santo de la India worth $500 dollars (brazil being the high priced). Im just very curious now because if theyre very similar then why such a difference in price (based on cacari bajos prices)

One more question...is canadian pine better then spruce as far as being used as the face side if the bajo??? hope i can get these questions answered :-)

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mexabajo...in your opinion (you sound like you know what youre talking about and thats why i ask you....) is the quality difference between the Palo santo de brazil and the Palo santo de la India worth $500 dollars (brazil being the high priced). Im just very curious now because if theyre very similar then why such a difference in price.

One more question...is canadian pine better then spruce as far as being used as the face side if the bajo??? hope i can get these questions answered :-)

MEXABAJO:  EN SU OPINION (Y LE PREGUNTO A USTED X K SE VE K CONOSE MUCHO DEL TEMA DE MADERAS) la diferiencia entre palo santo de brazil y palo santo de la india es tanta como para pagar $500 dollares mas por un bajo??? si supuestament son muy similares, porque tanta la diferiencia en precio?

la madera pino canadiense es mejor que spruce para el uso de la tapa? gracias por su ayuda y c nota k mi espanol necesita mucho trabajo HAHA

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Genuine "brazilian rosewood" is dalbergia nigra.
Genuine brazilian rosewood is NOT legal to cut, use or export. It is covered under the CITES act/treaty.

Many other woods are now called brazilian rosewood. or given similar names. .. among them
Amazonian rosewood, Caviuna, rio rosewood

True rosewoods are dalbergias...
you can look up the latin names for the true rosewoods which include
Honduras Rosewood, Coco bola, tulipwood, madagascar, East Indian etc

Local names for wood mean nothing as it really does not identify a species.
And if the name does not include "dalbergia" it is not a true rosewood.

Examples of misnaming a wood  thought to be a rosewood...
"bolivian rosewood"
First it is not rosewood..
second it is also called:
Morado, ironwood, pao ferro, and a dozen other names.
It is a beautiful wood and makes a very fine guitar, but not a rosewood.
I have a stash of it, and have been dragging these planks around for over 20 years.

There has been an ages old debate among guitar makers as to which is the superior tonewood, brazilian or East Indian. This will never be resolved. For every builder who says brazilian there is another that says East Indian. And the practical builders say neither, it is how you use the wood. My personal opinion is that the brazilian rosewood that is legally availble is junk compared to what was availbale in years past.  Excellent East Indian is still available at less than 20% of the cost of bad brazilian.  Sources in the US are Luthiers Mercantile  and Allied.. both in California. Both have websites.

http://www.lmii.com/

http://www.alliedlutherie.com/backsnsides.htm


I have seen some photos of a bajo that is claimed to be "brazilian rosewood", while it may be a rosewood and may be form brazil.. it is NOT dalbergia nigra the only true "brazilian rosewood".

Pino canadiense.. now that is a great name.. but means nothing. Canadian pine is any pine tree from Canada.. what I suspect they mean is probably sitka spruce.. The Mexican and Central and South American builders have picked up on this term.. again, means nothing.

As to palo esrcito or palo santos.. it would depend on the particular "set"

Is it quarter sawn, and is it dry ?,  I mean around 6% humidity.

The biggest failing of the Paracho guitars is that they are made with wet wood.

If in doubt, go for some decent east indian.  and go for sitka spruce or engelman spruce. Both good and both from North America

My best suggestion is know your builder

And as another opinion.  The Asian builders do a clean job and have better wood and they build with dry material.. in most cases the workmanship is as good as I have seen... of course this depends on the brand and quality... this is not a recommendation to buy an Asian made bajo




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so the Hernandez Brazilian rosewood is a fake? 
African black wood is the best you can get better than any other wood

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http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186522


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What Hernandez brazilian rosewood guitar.. Sorry, I don't understand

Why would you conclude African Black wood is the best.. price?
Price is no indicator of quality ( look at Gabanellis)

The Mahogany vs Rosewood discussion has been out there for years.

I guarantee that if you have 4 guitars, all drednaughts, 2 mahogany and 2 rosewood..
Have them played by 2 different  players behind a curtain.

Have 50 guitars players in the audience.

Have them respond to which guitars were mahogany and which were rosewood, I will bet no better than a 50% correct response

I have owned many of both

It more depends on the builders skilll the top wood ,wood thickness, size number and location of the bracing etc..

As to many  bajos, how would you ever tell when the necks are too thick,
the scale short, the tops thick ,and micas slappped all over them. Tone killing
elements.

I see this all as a moot discussion when there are so many other variables.

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