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Here we go again, Houston Rodeo Go Tejano Day 2009 (  http://www.houstonrodeoonline.com/ 

Reliant Sataduim will be hosting the gran Senor Ramon Ayala and Alacranes Musical...Nombre..Im not missing this for nothing...I meant the protest activity right outside the Reliant fregaos...Im ok with Ramon coming cause he is sangre but Alacranes Musical? no disrespect pero that is a totally different type of event like Jaripeo or Fiestas Charras. Oh Yeah, the committe will be heading to the news once again for making decisions that affect the Tejano community. Im ok with Diversity, but call it something else, like:

Hispanic Heritage Day
Latino pride event
Regional Mexican night

But not Tejano please.


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ramon ayala y alacranes musical cantan en espanol punto saludos


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LOL

I remember this thread



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Well since we do live in Texas that does make us Tejanos,right?

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i personally dont like or care for durangense too much but ALAKRANES MUSICAL are like the INTOCABLE of durangense music not just sticking to regular durangense but venturing out and adding new flavor, spice sounds
they have 34 cds in 10 years or something like that
http://www.univision.com/uv/music/1590953/Alacranes_Musical/discos?pagenum=2

but you could argue also that RAMON AYALA is not tejano musica in that case they would have only groups like grupo MAZZ and

they should have called it agarron norteno y durangense?

no pero you know what i would give anything to be able to see ramon ayala live here in minnesota i dont care if they labeled it RAP or noche durangense or whatever. he he he mis saludos a todos whoever goes take pictures and vids

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"OTRA VEZ LA BURRA AL MAIZ" THE LAST TIME I CHECKED I WAS TEJANO BY HISTORY, BUT AMERICAN BY BIRTH . MUSIC IS MUSICA! IT IS SUPPOSED TO BRING US TOGETHER NOT DIVIDE US. IF ONLY GENERAL SANTANA HAD NOT SOLD TEXAS WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. SU AMIGO DE FORO! RAM FLORES A TEJANO WHO PLAYS IN A NORTENO CONJUNTO BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE PUBLIC DEMANDS.


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thats  why  I  dont  go  to  the rodeo  I save  my  money  for 
 
THE  CONJUNTO  FESTIVAL
        PURO  TEJANO
 

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WHY DON'T YA PUT AN END TO ALL THIS HAYWIRE ALREADY IT IS WHAT IT IS I PERSONALLY ENJOY TEJANO MUSIC AND PLAY IN A NORTENO BAND BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. STOP HATING ON ALACRANES ALREADY I DON'T DISLIKE DURANGUENSE MUSIC BUT THEY ARE THERE FOR A REASON AND THAT"S  BECAUSE THEY DRAW A CROWD AND A CROWD EQUALS MONEY TO CORRECT HOWEVER STATED CON DINERO BAILE EL PERRO IT"S ACTUALLY CON DINERO BAILE EL CHANGO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ATTENDANCE FROM LAST YEAR IT WAS EVEN MORE BECAUSE DUELO AND HOROSCOPOS ARE MAJOR HEADLINERS AND DREW A TREMENDOUS CROWD.  SO LET IT BE AND IF YA WANT A TEJANO DAY WELL BOYCOTT TO MOVE THE RODEO TO SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE HERE IN HOUSTON NORTENO AND DURANGUESE MUSIC HAS TAKEN OVER.  BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

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HEY GUYS I HAVE TO AGREE WITH CARKARMIA! BUT AT THE SAME TIME EVERYONE HAS THIER OWN OPINION... I GREW UP AROUND TEJANO AND CONJUNTO CAUSE OF MY PARENTS.BUT GRANDPARENTS BEING FROM MONTERREY I HAVE THAT DIVERSITY IN ME TO ALSO LOVING NORTENO MUSIC AND HAVE A NORTENO BAND! LETS JUST MOVE ON AND NOT EVEN STRESS ABOUT IT ! I MEAN THEY BRING THESE BANDS THAT ARE HITTIN THE MUSIC SCENE HARD CAUSE THATS WHATS GONNA BRING PEOPLE AND WELL WE ARE IN TEXAS WE ARE TEXANS WICH IN SPANISH MEANS "TEJANOS". COME ON NOW EVEN THOUGH I ALSO LOVE TEJANO MUSIC ALL THE TEJANO PROMOTERS AND CLUBS BURN OUT TEJANO BANDS HERE IN HOUSTON. I CANT SPEAK FOR OTHER CITIES. IF THEY BROUGHT DAVID LEE GARZA TO THE RODEO, LATER IN 2 WEEKS HE WILL BE PLAYING AT HALLABALOOS THEN 2 WEEKS AFTER THAT HE WILL BE PLAYING AT BEAS! SO WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY TO SEE HIM AT THE RODEO WHEN U CAN SPEND LESS THE FOLLOWING WEEK TO SEE HIM UP CLOS AND PERSONAL. IN WICH ALL THESE OTHER BANDS NORTENO-DURANGUENSE ONLY COME LIKE ONCE A YEAR! GET MY DRIFT!! JUST MY OPINION!


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I SAY BRING SOMEONE WHO I ALWAYS THOUGHT SHOULD COME AND IS USE TO PERFORMING AT RODEO'S IS THE GREATES VINCENTE FERNANDEZ. MAYBE NOT EVEN ON TEJANO DAY! JUST ANY OTHER NIGHT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT!! WHO WOULD AGREE!!


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Hell yeah Vincete and also Joan Sebastian with the horses,they have some amazing horses

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I agree that music should unite not divide but i can't help but notice a real negative militant attitude from some "Tejanos" towards the rest of the spanish musica.

I have always said that we are all raza and to the rest of our human brothers we are all Mexicanos the only difference is that some of us got here sooner than others.

Lets celebrate our differences as well as our music and find a common ground instead of labeling ourselves.

Lets not take ourselves to seriously and remember that to everybody thats not Raza, we all look the same.

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muy bien dicho bgabb,

groups that bring in crowds make money and obviously if they draw crowds its because the majority of the people approve of their style of music therefore even i dont want to accept it I AM WRONG on my opinion of some personal tastes. There will always be music for all kinds of people, styles, genres. I honestly enjoy all types of music,,, some more than others. for example... i guess you will get the point. let us enjoy and learn. sometimes you will here a pasada, a certain something you like where you least expect it and maybe implement it or make it better. saludos mis amigos y como decia mi abuelo NO SE PELENSE

From banda I like

BANDA MAGUEY
BANDA MACHOS
for some reason i dont like el recodo too much personal preference

DURANGENSE,
MONTEZ
HOROSCOPOS

TIERRA CALIENTE
BETO Y SUS CANARIOS
LA DINASTIA DE TUZANTLA

TEJANO
mazz

CONJUNTO
fantasmas
dos gs

NORTENO
ramon,
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cadetes
cardenales
tigres
SIERRENO
los sierrenos- i like when they sing in their native tongue YAQUI





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ramon ayala y alacranes musical cantan en espanol punto saludos
 

what does singing in spanish have to do with TEJANO! beyonce sang a song in spanish also boys 2 men and christina aguilera......does that make thier songs tejano....i dont think so

que tiene que ver que canten en español con el TEJANO? beyonce canto una cancion en español y boys 2 men y chritina aguilera pero eso no se ignifica que sea TEJANO!

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It's not about dividing people it's about representing.
First of all I think the problem is that we only get one day instead of couple. If it's about money why not just get Miley Cyrus for the whole week and it would probably sell out all week. To me Tejano Day should be what the title says, I don't think just because they sing in Spanish it's ok to perform at the Houston Livestock show and Rodeo on Tejano day,If so why not just call it The International Day and get rid of all the horses,cow's and 99%of the cooking teams out side that  are jamming tejano/conjunto music. I don't think there are to many Durangense & Banda teams cooking briskets out there. I think it's like having fiestas patrias show IN MEXICO (one day only) and having EL General and Don Omar singing regeton, it would probably sell out, good if it's about the $$$, but it doesn't represent Mexico or their traditions. What would the Rodeo be with out any cow's, horses ,cowboy's,and country music, it would just be a bunch of concert's. In My opinion tejano is a lifestyle of our people that started in the border towns of Texas, a lifestyle that includes a style of music, traditions and people. I think what we are trying to say is how about some conjunto/tejano--Tex/Mex,Tejano/Mexicano,Texan/Mexican music being played in TEXAS at  the

                   Houston Texas livestock show and Rodeo . . . . . on Tejano Day.
         


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I agree, many people coming to the States for the first time think that the hispanic comunity ( from Mexican origin ) is like your typical Mexicanos and for instance when they go to a restaurant and eat "Mexican" food they complain it is not really Mexican food....well yes....it is TexMex food, it is not Mexican food, and yes the salsa is not supposed to be too hot....lol.........

As JROD said, it is lifestyle, it is a diferent culture,and people will not understand until u either live here or open your mind. I went trough that understanding and I see where u guys are coming from. I can also feel your pain but since the "more Mexican" comunity is growing in Houston, the attention is getting switched to that market.

On the other hand, we will not be able to influence the Tejano Day if we do not start becoming involved in their planning, but I strongly believe boycots do not really help, we need to start becoming more involved in a constructuve way, it will be then when they will really listen and will understand what Tejano Day means for the Tejanos living in Texas.

Just my humble opinion.

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dating    back  to  when  TEJANO  DAYS  at  the  rodeo  started  attendance   has  not  been  the  problem  I  was  just  told  that  the  TEJANO  BANDS   wanted  more  money  for  there  performance   and  the  committee   did  not  agree  although  they  pay  the  country  group  very  well  so  all -n-all  the  rodeo  people  don`t  think  were  worth  the  money  so  they  bring  in  the  MEXICAN   GROUPS   because  they  will  play  at  a  cheaper  rate   as  most  thing .    THIS  DOES  NOT  COME  FROM  ME  I   WAS  TOLD  FROM  A  COMMITTEE    MEMBER.



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This is a very touchy subject... I don't agree with the line up myself but there is not much any of us can do except stay away.

Like Gilbert said..."save your money for the conjunto festival"


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I really doubt that these bands are coming for less money than a tejano band!! but i do wonder how much the houston rodeo pays?? hmmmmmm.. any one have any idea how much they pay?


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YEAH BUT LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE CONJUNTO FESTIVAL IS EITHER IN GUADALUPE PLAZA, AZTECA FAIRGROUNDS OR JONES PLAZA AND THE NORTENO AND DURANGUENSE BANDS GOT THE RODEO STAGE WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO ME IT SAYS ALOT!!!  AND THE QUOTE "SAVE YOUR MONEY FOR THE CONJUNTO FESTIVAL" YA SHOULD BECAUSE YOU GET WHAT U PAY FOR BUT THAT'S MY PERSONSAL OPINION 

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JUST  REMEMBER  THE TEJANOS OPENED THE DOOR  AT  THE  RODEO FOR THE NORTENOS AND DURANGUENSES SO THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING AND AS FOR  PAYING  FOR  WHAT  YOU  GET  THATS  WHY  THEY  ARE  THERE  NOW  .AND  THE   SAN ANTONIO CONJUNTO FEST  THATS  WHY  I  GO  THERE  BECAUSE  IT`S  PURO CONJUNTO & TEJANO AND  IT`S  ALL  WEEK  NOT  ONE DAY.

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 these organizers or people in charge of the event do their homework... tejano and conjunto music are a smaller group who despite the fact that i personally like conjunto i have to acknowlege that these band do not draw the about of people that norteno or newer genres of music draw...

ex.. i went to see los chamacos, hometown boys at rodeo disco here in houston and i have to say the place was no were near fun that night... rodeo is a small night club in comparason to Escapade 2001 who brings Pesado, Temerarios, Tigres and they are charging 40 bucks at the door and the place it stupid packed (dangerously packed)...

the reason might be that most of the people going to these events are not musically inclined and are trend followers who learn to fall in love with music they hear in the radio 24 7...

you can not take away the fact that conjunto is a very beautiful music though...

they should have a mixture of all three at the rodeo...  

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SORRY BROTHER HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH U ON THIS ONE TWISTED TO REFRESH UR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHAMACOS AND HOMETOWN BOYS AT RODEO IT WAS UR NORMAL DANCE BUT IF I CAN RECALL RODEO IS A 100 PERCENT NORTENO CLUB BUT WHAT GETS ME IS THAT THEY USED TO TAKE CACHORROS AND PESADO AND VARIOUS GROUPS TO HALLABALOOS AND THEY WOULD PACK THE HOUSE SO  WHAT DOES THAT TELL U ALOT!!! AND ABOUT THE CONJUNTO FEST I DON'T DISLIKE CONJUNTO BUT SORRY ACCEPT THE REALITY TEJANO AND CONJUNTO IS DIED OUT HERE IN HOUSTON. SO TO "MAKE IT CONJUTO CARNAL" GUY  RIGHT ON BUT MAKE IT CONJUNTO CARNAL BUT DON'T MAKE IT IN HOUSTON!!! NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE!!! BUT THAT'S MY OPINION

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CONJUNTO MUSIC WILL NEVER DIE.................
 


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lol.. its funny to see this topis because everytime will be the same outcome...
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We should all just switch over to Rock or Rap. That's where the moneys at right now.



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Yeah, it is a touchy subject...but I ain't scared ...HA.  I agree with JROD, this has more to do with just the $$ & what's popular, it has to do with preserving a lifestyle/culture & tradition that was founded in Tejas.  We're talkin about the Houston Rodeo, the name itself sugggests Texas tradition (rodeo, horses, cows, bulls, country music (for Anglo Americans) & Tejano/Conjunto for la Raza Tejana.  If it were only about $$ & what's poplular then forget about Brooks & Dunn & George Straitt & get ready for Jay Z, 50 Cent, Eminem, Miley Cyrus, & Enrique Iglesias...the truth is; if we had Ramon Ayala & Roberto Pulido or Ramon & Bobby Pulido or Ramon & Little Joe, the place would be just as crowded.  I say that because it's only 1 day & most all the Latinos in Houston that want to attend the rodeo end up goin on that day cuz they know it's suppose to be for us...the performers make some difference but they show up regardless.  Truthfully, I know they could have booked just about any Tejano act along side Ramon & packed the joint; I don't care how poplular Duranguense is right now, it aint that popular here in Houston, I think most Houston residents from Mexico are from the Northern states & prefer Norteno/Conjunto or Tejano rather than Duranguense.  I can say this though, when you divide you conquer; that's why I don't have a problem with Ramon, Alacranes, or anyone else performing ...what I do have a problem with is when Tejano/Conjunto isn't included.  What we really need is a 2 day event, "Go Tejano Weekend" where they have atleast 1 Tejas style band representin, in a city that's majority Latino they should show us the respect we deserve.  The root problem is the decision makers are a bunch of old "good ole boy" rednecks que les vale madre & don't wanna hear or be told how to run "their" show.  1 last thing, boycott organizers (if there is 1) should have acted early so that all Tejano cooking teams & bands that perform in the tents could have setup offsite events as protest and not participated at all this year in the rodeo  (again, not protesting the current lineup, but lack of inclusion)



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yea eazyrod is correct in some parts a whole weekend would be cool. i dont agree on the one day thing!! the part i disagree on is having the teams not participate and just go protest. trust me they will not care! u know how many cooking teams are in line waiting for a spot to be available? man its crazzy! then their really wont be any tejano/conjunto lol!!


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the only problem i have is that a duranguense band is playing once again duranguense is not a texas genre for what i see duranguense is not liked around my area and im pretty sure its like that around texas because we have norteno conjunto wich is in my blood not duranguense.,..
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these organizers or people in charge of the event do their homework... tejano and conjunto music are a smaller group who despite the fact that i personally like conjunto i have to acknowlege that these band do not draw the about of people that norteno or newer genres of music draw...


You hit the nail right on the head. 
If it doesn't make money it doesn't make sense for these people, regardless of what our personal opinions might be.


 
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i still think that it should be bands that are worth time watchong i think they should do two norteno bands a new school band and an old school band for example intocable and los cachorros duelo and los bravos pesado and cadetes something of that kind
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Aca en Wisconsin cuando hacen cada año el Mexican Fest
 
EN ESTA FEST HAY DE TODA MUSICA,,PARA TODOS LOS GUSTOS
PA QUE NADIE SE ENOJE...LOL...SON COMO 4 STAGES..DESDE CONJUNTO, BANDA ,TEJANO,MARIACHI...ETC....

check :   ► http://mexicanfiesta.org/music.php

ESTO FUE EL 2008El Chapo de Sinaloa,El Poder Del Norte,La Sonora Tropicana,Los Bad Boys Del Valle,La Tropa F, Big Circo,Jimmy Edward,La Arrolladora,Agustin Ramirez,Mariachi,Sunny Osuna..etc..


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I  just  hope  that   NORTENO  and  DURANGUES  don`t  ever  invade  the  CONJUNTO  FEST  in  SAN  ANTONIO  you  can  have  HOUSTON,DALLAS, EL  PASO    just  stay  out  of  SANANTO

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puro norteño !!!!! for ever .....

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Cual es la diferencia entre Tejano Y Norteño?  Es solo idioma o es algo en la musica?

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CARLOS    la  diferencia   es  el  estilo    la  tonada   norteno   por  la  majoria  son  puros  corridos   la  musica  de  conjunto  tejano   es  mas  para  bailar  gosar,llorar,y  tirar  gritos  alegres.  compa  como  vas  a  bailar  un  corrido  ni  con  botas  picudas

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I  just  hope  that   NORTENO  and  DURANGUES  don`t  ever  invade  the  CONJUNTO  FEST  in  SAN  ANTONIO  you  can  have  HOUSTON,DALLAS, EL  PASO    just  stay  out  of  SANANTO

Nah bro we don't want that here in D-town

They can have every state except Texas!



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to gilbert: you take and read alot of these comments and respond in an apparent negative personal point of view towards norteno music.... ive seen your past post and all incline towards the same direction, "which is an attack on norteno music"... i think, and speaking on behave of alot of other members in here that you should be wiser in writing about your personal opinions or just quite frankly not give any at all.....

i respect your preference over conjunto, which i follow as well, but making "indirect" generalizations towards norteno is not the way to pay tribute to the music you like... because at the end of the day the ones responsible for the chosing of these bands in such events are the organizers and not the people who "you" are offending...

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well said twisted!! i gots to agree


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Me enstristece leer todos sus comentarios amigos. The post got totally mistaken for an act of war . I wanted to point out the festival being called GoTejano day but having great Norteno bands and Duranguense bands itself. Music is a worldwide language and we must understand its nature, culture, origin etc and should learn to appreciate talent and not become a population of hate.

AND THAT IS WHY YOU WILL NEVER SEE A HISPANIC RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!! NO HAY APOYO, WE ALL ARE TRYING TO SQUASH EACHOTHER OVER GUSTOS NO SOLO DE MUSICA PERO DE MILES DE COSAS!! YA DEJEN EL ORGULLO Y DEMONOS LA MANO QUE TODOS COJEAMOS DEL MISMO PIE EN EL MUNDO DE LA MUSICA< WE ALL HAVE THE SAME DREAM AND SHOULD COMPLIMENT THOSE THAT GET THERE.

THIS THREAD WILL BE ERASED TODAY, I JUST WANT TO GET IT STRAIGHT AND WANTED EVERYONE TO SNAP OUT OF IT. QUE VIVA LA RAZA!!!!

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i agree with you konjunto... thats why i wrote what i did...


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This thread reminds me of the little brother (Norteno) picking on big brother(Tejano) and when big brother retaliates, little brother runs and tells mommy and big brother looks like the bad guy.  What a shame....

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LOL!!!!

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Como dijo Konjunto,"Everyone Snap out of it! QUE VIVA LA RAZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" That's it. 

 
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Gracias camaradas, Simon que Viva La Raza...acuerdense que Por Santana todos pagamos, nacidos a qui, traidos a qui, exportados a qui, y los que nos brincamos el charco! Representemos Reyes con honor, miren aqui les dejo something to think about, Universidad de Reyes accordions, saben que quiere decir universidad? here you go..

Establecimiento de enseñanza superior.
 
and thats why we should pull together carnales, Im ok with different styles, let just categorize it correctly. El agua y el Aceite no se mezclan right? pero they are both necessary to make a car run. Hope you get it, los quero mucho reyeslanders, conjunto, norteno, durangense, vallenato, mariachi, raggaton, rap, rock, no importa we should be unidos por una causa, sobresalir. Gritooo compadres!!
 
Lets give it one more day, ya say?

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Es Todo Konjunto   Ajuaaaaaaaaaaa 


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Watcha, Viva la musica de acordeon y bajo sexto...mi Mariachi no puede faltar tambien... Es todo.


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To be completley honest, the Rodeo committee is only part of the problem...if we had young Tejanos/Tejanas that were still down for Conjunto/Tejano music on a widespread level then we wouldn't be havin this conversation.  So before we blame Norteno, Duranguense or any other form of music ...look at your kids, nieces, nephews...they're the future & also the 1s that don't get it anymore.  La Raza de Mexico, specifically in Monterrey, San Luis & across Nuevo Leon have done more t support Tejano/Conjunto than we have as a whole here in Tejas.  So check your kids (educate them)...they're the ones growin up as a bunch of wannabes nowadays.


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